tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post113015618723970819..comments2023-10-05T05:55:11.723-05:00Comments on Travelers: Seeing . . .Greghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15807657586563500686noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post-1130782343263976552005-10-31T12:12:00.000-06:002005-10-31T12:12:00.000-06:00certainly, without a doubt, history has routinely ...certainly, without a doubt, history has routinely provided evidence of the two worlds colliding to produce revolution. words (idealogies, etc.) seem to me to simply be a convenience through which revolution might perpetually convey itself. <BR/><BR/>the words; radical, revolution and their relatives were much a part of my early introduction into Christianity. then i met Francis Schaeffer. just meeting him changed my life. <BR/><BR/>thanks for your thoughtful approach to the Christian discipleship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post-1130769887774772842005-10-31T08:44:00.000-06:002005-10-31T08:44:00.000-06:00Thanks!! Sometimes I cannot connect the dots, but ...Thanks!! Sometimes I cannot connect the dots, but your fuller explanation helps me see what you are saying.<BR/><BR/>Your choice of wording sometimes throws me a bit . . . like saying Jesus was not about revolution but resolution through relationships, but one might say that it is a revolution to seek to restore relationships!<BR/><BR/>To me a revolution against human nature and culture means simply that Jesus wanted to show us a radically different way.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807657586563500686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post-1130768605124816202005-10-31T08:23:00.000-06:002005-10-31T08:23:00.000-06:00Please be encouraged. I am only seeking answers as...Please be encouraged. I am only seeking answers as you yourself seem to be seeking. My responses were my leading from God. My He direct our conversation and help us both discover His answers by seeking the mind of Chirst. <BR/><BR/>Perceiving your sincerity, I entered the dialogue in hopes of finding such answers. I pray God will lead you to help me be a light in the darkness of my community. Though an adult, I seek as a child; not as an authority. <BR/><BR/>============<BR/><BR/>Your topic was "how is one used by God to help impart vision." ...Christ helped others to see by telling them they must seek as a child seeks not as the wordly wise. He is asking his disciples to remember or relearn how to be childlike. <BR/><BR/>Your question:<BR/>"How can believers move from consumers who want to be served to seekers who want to be formed?"<BR/><BR/>....the child is a natural seeker desiring to be informed. <BR/><BR/>Your question: This is one of the core problems. As Christians we are consumers who believe we are the customers in the motto the customer is always right . . . and therefore our needs ought to set the agenda. How can we make a fundamental shift? The task is a revolution against the culture and human nature.<BR/><BR/>....those Jesus helped were lost souls shut out from society. his agenda was not revolution. it was resolution through relationship. he restored relationships by bringing the sheep of His Father's pasture back home. <BR/><BR/>I hope this helps answer your question.<BR/><BR/>shalomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post-1130604969340573942005-10-29T11:56:00.000-05:002005-10-29T11:56:00.000-05:00I wish I understood the comment above. Okay . . . ...I wish I understood the comment above. Okay . . . I understand the child as an illustration Jesus used - but how does that say something other than what I was saying? <BR/><BR/>This seems to be too brief a comment to make sense and to connect to what I was talking about.<BR/><BR/>I'm puzzled - but since the author is anonymous there's no way to follow up.<BR/><BR/>Whatever.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807657586563500686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5881653.post-1130535189324298102005-10-28T16:33:00.000-05:002005-10-28T16:33:00.000-05:00Your quest to discover how one moves from the cons...Your quest to discover how one moves from the consumer to seeker seems to reflect a poorly informed view of those who sought relief. To appreciate real need and persona one has the example Christ set before his disciples - the child. <BR/><BR/>The child Christ set in the midst of the disciples is the one to emulate as the guide to having a relationship with both he and his Father. <BR/><BR/>The disciple is compelled to learn more about Christ and pray more to understand him in his day and time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com